Tapping into Freedom: Harnessing Emotional Freedom Technique for a Thriving Midlife

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You can take that to be your truth.

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But when you start to say something out loud, it can help you create some distance from it.

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So, for example, if you're saying something like I'm not good enough to work on this project or to take on this new client, or whatever it is that you're saying to yourself, and at first it can feel really true, and the more that you say it you start to create that distance and think like, oh, this is so ridiculous.

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Why am I saying this?

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I know that I'm good hi, I'm glennis woods mullins and I love to help women to vibe, to be more vibrant, intuitive, beautiful and empowered in midlife.

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So come, let's vibe.

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We are always looking for different ways to be well in our mind, body and spirit.

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At least I always am, and you know me, I don't subscribe to the idea of always having to drop a pharmaceutical or, god forbid, having something cut off, because there are things that we can do, even preventatively, to keep us from getting into that situation.

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And as we go through this wellness journey and aging gracefully, it's something that I want to put on your mind.

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What other kinds of things can you do to help reduce your stress, which can cause so many issues?

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And especially as you age, what can you do to feel more vibrant and you know I'm going to talk about intuition and be more intuitive, and how can you help that?

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You know inner beauty radiate out and how can you feel more empowered?

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What kind of holistic practice can help you to vibe?

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Well, we're going to talk about that today with Lauren Fonville.

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She is an EFT practitioner and I'm so glad to have her with us today.

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She is actually an integrated energy practitioner using EFT that helps with your stress, your anxiety and trauma.

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We've talked about that before because trauma is huge in terms of what it does for our body, because, as that famous book says, the body keeps the score.

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So I'm so glad because she helps her clients by helping them to self-heal, to break through the obstacles physical, mental and emotional and to help them get unstuck in terms of what might be holding them back in life and in business.

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Lauren believes that we all have the answers within, and sometimes we need a little help in accessing them.

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So let's get some help.

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Lauren, welcome to the Vibe Living Podcast.

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It's wonderful to have you here today.

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Thank you so much for having me.

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I'm excited to be chatting with you today, me too.

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I am a fan of EFT.

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I discovered it about maybe 13 years ago.

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A lady who became my dear friend wrote a book about it and now she's a practitioner and she had a book in a journal that went with it and I learned how to write scripts and all that kind of stuff.

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But a lot of people don't exactly know what it is.

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When I say EFT, they think I'm thinking of ET or some kind of woo-woo thing, you know, something having to do with the atmosphere kind of thing.

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But that's not what it is.

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I know that EFT stands for emotional freedom technique, but tell us why EFT, why are you so passionate about it and what can EFT do for?

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us.

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Yeah, I'm super passionate about it because of the impact that it has had on my life and it's led me on this journey to sharing it with other, with other people, and helping others to holistically manage anxiety, stress, overwhelm, ptsd symptoms all of the above.

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And it is a tool that, once you learn how to do it I mean in and of itself, it's pretty simple Once you learn where the tapping points are and tapping on them and learning how to really tune inward and acknowledge how you're feeling, it's a beautiful tool that helps us to hold space for where we actually are and how we're feeling in the moment and I think that that's not something we, as women, often do enough and taking the time to really check in with ourselves and see how we're feeling and when.

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When the feelings are uncomfortable feelings, it's it's important to allow ourselves the time and space to feel them, because if we don't, then we are going to end up with problems later on, right?

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If we, if we don't allow us ourselves to feel sadness, anger, frustration, those uncomfortable feelings, we tend to what I call stuff them down and, just as you were referencing, the body keeps the score right.

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We're stuff those, those things down and while we can do that for some period of time, at some point that's going to make itself known and it's going to come out either physically with pain in the body or emotionally.

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And this is a great tool that that can be used both proactively on a day to day basis as part of your self care.

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But it can also be used both proactively on a day-to-day basis as part of your self-care, but it can also be used reactively in those moments where you find yourself feeling really stressed out and overwhelmed as well.

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Now you mentioned tapping points.

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What are those and how does that work?

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Yeah, so EFT emotional freedom technique is also referred to as tapping.

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Sometimes people will refer to it as psychological acupressure, because we are we are tapping, physically tapping on certain points of the body while simultaneously acknowledging the emotions that we're, that we're feeling.

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So the points of the body that we are tapping on are the endpoints of the meridians.

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So meridians are often talked about.

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Maybe if you've taken a yoga class or if you go see an acupuncturist, they will talk about meridians.

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It's highly acknowledged within Chinese medicine, and so we're tapping on these endpoints of the meridians and doing so helps to keep that energy moving, helps to move any stuck energy.

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And then there's also the added benefit of reducing the amount of cortisol in the body.

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There's been lots of studies that have been done on what's actually happening in the brain, that tapping on yourself is making you feel physically different, and it has been shown that tapping on these points reduces the cortisol, which is that stress hormone, by up to 43%.

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And that is a really, really big number.

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That's incredible.

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I can tell you all kinds of stories about cortisol.

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I got into this whole business because I left corporate America at the age of 51.

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It'll be almost 17 years in April that I created this company.

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17 years in April that I created this company and the reason why I left because I had an anxiety disorder which was based on antidotal but also based upon a hormonal imbalance.

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There's something called menopausal anxiety and it can be caused by menopausal anxiety is all about the hormones too much cortisol, not enough estrogen, dangerous combination and many times the anxiety you might feel when you start getting into the menopausal realm many times can be caused by the imbalance of the hormones.

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And so that's why I got into tapping.

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I was doing everything and actually it took a little bit of everything to get to the point where I'm now 99% anxiety free.

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But I did tapping.

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I also did aromatherapy, meditation.

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I mean you name it holistic practice.

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I've probably done it.

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You know the only thing I haven't done so far is hang upside down with my feet.

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You know I've done it just about 30.

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But the thing about EFT is how quickly it works and how you feel almost an immediate change, or at least I did.

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Why do you think that is?

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Yeah, it's interesting.

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I think one of the things that helps with that so much is the somatic practice of actually tapping on these points.

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And then also, I think something happens when you say out loud something that you've been thinking over and over again.

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You know we've read lots about those studies that say that you think the same thoughts repeatedly every single day.

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Right, and when you think something over and over, it can feel really, really true.

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You can take that to be your truth.

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But when you start to say something out loud, it can help you create some distance from it.

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So, for example, if you're saying something like I'm not, I'm not good enough to work on this project or to take on this new client, or whatever it is that you're saying to yourself, and at first it can feel really true.

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And the more that you say it you start to be, you start to create that distance and think like, oh, this is so ridiculous, why am I saying this?

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I know that I'm good enough.

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Now there's different processes that people use for EFT.

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So what I think I hear you saying is that your setups is the negative piece in terms of all the things that you can't do, you won't do, you shouldn't do or whatever all the bad things.

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So that's what you do first and you go through the various tapping points and all that while you're saying that, or do you just do the supplying?

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So you do the setup statement on the pinky side of the hand and yes, you're right, we do focus on the negative feeling first.

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Right, and the reason behind that is that's how you're actually feeling, right.

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So sometimes there's people that would say, okay, I'm going to recognize that I'm feeling really anxious right now, and then I'm going to go to the opposite end of the spectrum and I'm going to say I'm feeling carefree and wonderful.

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Now you can say that positive affirmation, but there's going to be a real disconnect with how you're actually feeling right.

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It's like giving lip service to something.

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So, with tapping, what we're going to do is we're going to acknowledge how we're actually feeling.

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We're going to acknowledge that we're really feeling anxious and overwhelmed and stressed and whatever other thoughts are coming up around it, with the intention of organically moving that needle towards the better thought or feeling.

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Maybe it's not possible to go from one end of the spectrum to the other in one session, but maybe, you know, the better thought or feeling is that, even though I'm feeling anxious, I know I have a lot of support around me.

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I know that I felt anxious like this in the past and I've gotten through it right.

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Maybe that's the better thought for the day, and so it's moving that, moving that needle to what feels true to you, and I think that's another important thing with tapping is using words that really resonate with how you are feeling.

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Now this is.

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I think this is really interesting that you did mention the meridians, but let's show again where the meridians are.

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Now, I know it's to the center.

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So we start at the pinky side of the hand, okay, and this is where you do what's called the setup statement.

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So it would be something like this Even though I'm feeling really anxious, I love and accept myself.

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And you would say that three times as you're tapping on the pinky side of the hand.

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Now, you can do that with either hand.

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I tend to tap with my right because I'm a righty, but you could if you're left because I'm a lefty.

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So there's no wrong, no wrong way of doing it.

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Then to the top of the head, the center, the center of the crown of the head, and we would just say I'm feeling so anxious, or whatever emotion it is that you're feeling, and just say I'm feeling so anxious or whatever emotion it is that you're feeling.

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And then the next point is the start of the eyebrows, and you can do both, both sides of the eyebrows, so right in the, in the center, here, and then we would move to the sides of the eyes.

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We started the eyebrows and then the sides of the eyes, and you'll notice that sometimes these are points that you naturally touch during the day.

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Like the sides of the eyes is a common one.

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You might not tap them naturally, but naturally, but you might come and you might rub the sides of the eyes Right and then and that's just to say that our bodies are so innately wise we will naturally do things to help ourselves reduce that anxiety and not even realize that we're doing it.

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And then under the eyes we move under the nose, so kind of like that 90 degree angle where the nose and the lip come together, and then we move onto the chin crease and then we come to the collarbone.

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So if you come to, like the center and move over, and it's about it's underneath the collarbone, the fleshy part on both sides, and so I, you can either do two hands, one on each side, or you can bring one hand to the center of the chest and really spread the index finger and the thumb apart, and this is a common one.

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You know you might see something and you know you're or you're startled, and you bring your hand to your chest.

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It's a natural point that people may touch during the day and then under the arm.

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So for women it's about the center of the bra strap on the side of the body.

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For men it's about two and a half inches down from the from the difference between the men and women with that.

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Okay, and then you can give yourself a hug and do both sides at the same time, if you like, or you could just do one at a time, whatever.

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Again, there's no wrong way of doing this and then the last point is between the pinky and the ring finger on the back of the hand, and again it could be on either hand.

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Now, that's a new one.

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I haven't heard that.

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Now I've heard people do finish it with tapping on their ankles.

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Have you heard that before?

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Oh, that's a new one.

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I have, yeah, tapping on the ankles.

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I can't tell you anything about the meridians that are there.

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I just remember interviewing someone who's talking about tapping on the ankles.

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Now, people, those who are watching the webcast version of this you can see all of this but those who are not, I'm going to make sure that in the show description there will be a diagram about different tapping points that are very close to what Lauren is talking about, and I can tell you from my own experience how it changed my life.

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I mean, already I'm feeling a little bit better.

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I have to tell you, my day started around 4am in the morning and because I got on that platform, that's how I found you.

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I have had a plethora of interviews that I'm trying to get done for the rest of the year, so I can do other things.

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And so this morning when I woke up I was like this oh, you know all these kinds of things and somewhere in between doing the work, seeing clients or whatever, and so I just left from doing a client and then I came on to you so I still had a little bit of what her energy was.

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But after finished tapping even though we didn't do the script but we kind of mentioned about anxiety or whatever I just felt more like this calmness that came, yeah.

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So it's really interesting.

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Sometimes the offshoot of tapping can give you things that you weren't expecting in terms of how you're feeling, but I know it does work Now for you.

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Why did you decide to?

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You said why you decided to, but what?

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How has it changed your life?

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What has it done for you?

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Yeah, so I went on this journey because of my own anxiety and stress and I started having panic attacks at one point and I was looking for holistic ways of managing it, and so for me, it was very similar to what you were saying about trying all these different modalities.

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So I was going to yoga.

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I ended up becoming a trauma-informed yoga instructor.

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I became a Reiki practitioner.

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I do sound healing and I got certified in all of these things because of how much they've helped me right.

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What do you call it?

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A doppelganger?

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What is that called when you find it, oh, doppelganger, yeah, I've done all of that too.

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I've got all the certifications.

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In fact, sometimes when my husband is you, know, he'll knock on my door before he comes into my office, but he says he never knows what he might find what I'm doing.

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He says how is this supposed to?

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help you.

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But I think that's the best thing, right, because you don't know until you try it how it's going to make, how it's going to make you feel Right.

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And so my journey started with with going to yoga and being at the studio.

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I was really introduced to a lot of these different, different healing modalities.

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And it was around that same time that I joined a coaching group and that coach brought in an EFT practitioner and I was very skeptical of this idea of tapping on myself to feel better physically and emotionally, um, but I noticed that I'm like, yeah, it is, I feel calmer, you know just like how you were saying.

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I kind of quickly I realized, oh yeah, something's happening in my body, I don't know what, but it's making me feel better.

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So I continue to explore that.

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And in my first one on one session with a practitioner, I explained how, for me, when I get anxious, my TMJ will really act up and I would have, you know, really bad pain in my jaw, my neck, my shoulders.

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And in that first session I had a really big transformation and had a lot of awareness around the fact that I was carrying a lot of anger and resentment in my jaw.

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It became like abundantly clear.

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And then I was able to release some of that and I felt a profound difference in the level of pain when I had been doing all sorts of things to try and mitigate that pain, from going to the dentist and wearing a night guard, not eating harder foods, putting peppermint oil on my face.

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And that is no joke.

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It really is no joke and you're right on my face and that is no joke.

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It really is no joke, and you're right.

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It's all rooted in, basically, the simplistic term stress or the things that because anger can cause stress.

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You know.

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It's interesting because chronic stress can make you very ill in other ways that people don't necessarily realize, and I think that it becomes even more difficult as you age to keep that chronic stress from impacting your body.

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So for those of you who are stressed out at 40, you better get rid of it by the time you get to be my age I'll be 67 in June you better get rid of it by that time because it takes longer to heal, it takes longer to overcome some of these things.

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So the whole idea is to start doing these practices now, even if you're well.

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Even if you're well, talk about how EFT can help preventatively.

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Yeah Well, I think you know we all, every, every day, we have experiences.

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As human beings, we have experiences and those experiences have emotions attached to them and inevitably, some of those emotions are going to be uncomfortable emotions.

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And so just tapping on a daily basis, acknowledging how you're feeling, even if you don't think you're really bothered by something, it's amazing.

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What can, what can come up?

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I remember when I used to do that and I'm glad you reminded me because I haven't done it in a while.

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There's some times when I just need to tap through when my husband opens the door in the morning.

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what are you doing now?

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And I'm like you know I'm doing something that's going to help other people or whatever, but actually I'm doing something that's going to kind of lower the level.

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Now you mentioned statements.

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Do people do tapping?

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and affirmations.

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Does that work at all, or would you suggest that?

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Yeah, I think they can be very helpful.

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However, they need to feel true.

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So if what you're saying doesn't feel true, you need to find a version of it that does feel true true to you and work your way towards that, that you know what you want to be saying.

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If you can't say what you, want An example of an affirmation that you could have.

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Yeah, I mean, I am good enough.

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I come across so many people in my work that like don't feel good enough in one area or another.

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Okay, and so if saying just blanket statement, I am good enough, if that doesn't feel true, if you're like I don't really know, maybe it's saying that something different, something that't really know, maybe it's.

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Maybe it's, maybe it's saying that something, something different, something that, something that does feel true.

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I guess the setup statement would be I'm not good enough.

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I don't feel like, like.

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So you could be.

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Even though I'm not feeling good enough, I love and accept myself, okay.

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And or you could say something even though I don't feel good enough, I'm choosing to love myself through this.

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Or I'm honoring where I am today, right, and it's I'm doing my best.

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I'm ready to feel good enough.

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You know, I'm ready to explore why this is still here.

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You know, the common thing a lot of people say is like I've worked on this, I've worked on this before.

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Why is this coming up again?

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Right, and it's like, even though I've worked on this, there's something else for me to learn, and I'm ready to figure out what that is.

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You know, whatever thoughts are coming up, well, the interesting thing about EFT is and this and this is just human beings we have triggers, you know things that we think we've already taken care of and not going to be dealing with that again, and then, voila, something pops up and it's because of that trigger that was deep-rooted or hidden that actually hadn't been removed.

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And triggers, I mean, you know we have a lot of them, but we don't even realize.

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Just the other day I ran across a trigger.

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I got so angry with someone that said something to me not to make me angry at all and I'm thinking why am I so angry?

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Why do I feel so angry?

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I'm thinking about it and finally, through meditation it came up oh, that's what it is.

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Well, let me start working on eradicating that right now, because that's no longer true.

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That's not who I am, but it's amazing how these triggers sometimes can bring up not just feelings, but they can also bring up physical ways of being.

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That's why emotions are so tied into how we might feel physically.

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And I wonder sometimes if the emotional freedom technique, if it's a whole idea of freeing you from your emotions, freeing you from those negative emotions that cause other issues.

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I've never thought about that before.

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Yeah, no, that's, that's exactly it.

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It's a, it's a practice that helps you find freedom from your emotions, and I think you know, like we were talking about before, how anxiety can really present itself, and people seem to be pretty aware.

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If I ask the question when you're anxious or when you're stressed, where do you feel that in your body?

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Most people have a immediate response to that oh, I feel tension in my neck and my shoulders, right, or, or I get headaches, or whatever the case may be.

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But it's also not just with anxiety and stress that we feel these things physically in the body.

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It can be sadness, it can be anger, it can be overwhelmed, and I think that this is a wonderful tool that really helps us to cultivate that relationship between the mind and the body and begin to really listen to what our body is telling us.

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And sometimes, you know, the same physical sensation can mean different things, right, like that idea of nervousness, right, the butterflies in the stomach can also be that idea of excitement, you're looking forward to something.

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And so it's also discerning the difference between what these different sensations are really trying to communicate to us.

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Wow, you know I have so enjoyed talking with you and I'm glad you've kind of brought back to me so many good memories of when I first started EFT and how it kind of evolved and it really should be more of my daily practice.

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I will do it occasionally when I feel like I'm going to get stroke, you know, kill somebody or hit somebody.

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I will do it, but I'm so glad that you brought it into my remembrance.

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Now, what's coming up for you?

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What are you doing to help people?

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Where can people find out about your courses or your one-on-one?

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I'm assuming you do virtual sessions as well.

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I do, I do.

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I do virtual sessions and you can find out more at my website, mindshiftwithlaurencom.

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I'm also on Instagram where you can find me.

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If you search for MindShift with Lauren, I show up as Lauren Nicole on there, but if you search for MindShift with Lauren on Instagram, I'll pop up as well.

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I do have a free masterclass on my website that goes into a lot more of the science behind tapping if you're curious to learn more, and you can access that by visiting mindshiftwithlaurencom.

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Forward slash masterclass.

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And yeah, and I do, I offer one on one sessions.

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I have, I have group tapping sessions and I have lots of free events too.

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So fantastic.

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I'm so glad that you're here and for all of you who are listening all you vibrers out there listening, make sure you go ahead and take a look at the show page and click on those links I have down there I have her website there and I also have her social media links and connect with Lauren.

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Go ahead and find out how she can help you vibe in a way where you're not holding on to all those toxic emotions that can make you ill.

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Thank you so much, lauren, for being here on the podcast.

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It's been wonderful having you here today and thank you to all your listeners for being here as well.

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I know that you could be listening to so many different podcasts, so the fact that you've just kind of landed here and spend some time with us is fantastic.

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If you enjoyed this interview, please like, subscribe, comment and share this podcast with somebody else you think would benefit from it.

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I've had fun talking to Lauren.

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