Oct. 20, 2024
Overwhelmed and Drained? Natural Meditation Method for Lasting Relief
After years of battling anxiety, Lynnis discovered unexpected relief through natural meditation—a body-based practice that reconnects the mind and body without the need for mantras or visualization. In this enlightening episode, she sits down with Cate Zolton, CEO and co-founder of Undo, to explore how this transformative method fosters healing from within.
Unlike traditional meditation techniques, natural meditation encourages awareness of bodily sensations, offering a profound way to manage stress, anxiety, and depression—especially for women navigating midlife challenges. Kate explains how this practice taps into our innate ability to self-heal, promoting mental fitness and emotional well-being.
Together, Lynnis and Cate dive deep into the power of feeling emotions rather than avoiding them, showing how unresolved emotions can compound stress. They also discuss the holistic benefits of the Undo app, which guides users in managing not only emotional struggles but also chronic conditions and physical health challenges.
Listeners will experience a brief, guided meditation during the episode, designed to connect with the body’s sensations without judgment—cultivating peace and self-acceptance.
This episode serves as a reminder of the power of pausing, even amid life’s chaos, to reconnect with oneself. Tune in to discover how natural meditation can enhance your mental and physical well-being, offering a path to empowerment and lasting self-discovery. Don’t miss this insightful conversation!
Bio
Cate is the co-founder and CEO of Undo app, a tool designed to support people with mental and physical health issues and teach them how to heal naturally. With over 25 years of experience in meditation, Cate has gained profound insights into the human body and deep healing from trauma.
Her personal journey using Natural Meditation led her to heal from childhood trauma, which has shaped her unique perspective and passion for sharing her understanding of healing with others. Prior to her work in the field of meditation and healing, Cate was an award-winning chef with a successful career spanning over 25 years. Her extensive experience in meditation has given her deep insights into how memory and thinking function, further enhancing her understanding of the human body and its capacity for healing.
Cate's own transformation and resilience have inspired her to start the Natural Meditation movement and provide support to others on their healing journeys. She believes that everyone needs the right support to navigate the complex and challenging stages of healing from trauma. Cate is eager to share her expertise and story offering valuable insights and perspectives on the subject of healing.
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00:04 - Healing Through Natural Meditation
05:21 - Healing Through Deep Feeling and Education
19:54 - Exploring Mindfulness and Self-Healing
34:28 - Empowering Wellness Podcast Thank You
Transcript
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I was reading your bio and you said you had gone through some traumas and that what you're doing now is based upon what you've learned when you, when you, were going through your own healing process.
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I've healed using this approach and then I realized, as I was learning this approach, that nobody else in the world is saying this.
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Nobody is giving us the that intrinsic understanding that you need in life to kind of get you through life and to get you to understand how to live life according to your you can eat your uniqueness and your individuality, and so it's kind of like a blueprint for life.
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Hi, I'm Linus Woods Mullins and I love to help women to vibe, to be more vibrant, intuitive, beautiful and empowered in their life.
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So come on, let's vibe.
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You hear a lot of talk about meditation.
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I hear so many people say well, I can't sit still long enough for meditation.
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Or why do you need meditation?
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What's the difference?
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Well, how does it help?
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And I happen to be a fan of meditation.
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I have my own form that I do and it works for me.
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But I think it's something that women in midlife should definitely take a look at, because it can help you with some of the common threads of emotional unwellness that can sometimes happen during this time of life Anxiety, depression, stress, difficulty focusing.
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These things can be chemically related as a result of being on menopause, but no matter why you're having it, it does help to have some tools in your toolkit to help you deal with whatever's going on.
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So today we had with us Kate Zolton.
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She is the CEO and co-founder of Undo, and Undo is a tool designed to support people with mental and physical health issues and to teach them how to heal naturally.
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Kate has over 25 years of experience in meditation and she really has gained some profound insights to the human body and how to deeply heal from trauma.
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And this is all based upon her personal journey, as well as all the people she has worked with over the years, and she's got extensive experience in helping people with meditation.
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So, kate, welcome to the Vital Living Podcast.
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It's wonderful to have you here today.
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Yeah, really nice to be here.
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Thank you very much.
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And what a great introduction.
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Well, thank you.
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Now tell me about natural meditation.
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What is the difference between because this is what you say that you can do on the Undo app, and that link is on the show page if you want to take a look at it while we're talking to Kate?
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But what is natural meditation?
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Yeah, it's a very different type of meditation actually to all the others that are out there at the moment.
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It's a body-based meditation, so it works directly from the body, so we tend to call it like more of an inside-out approach rather than technique and visualization, breathing.
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All the mantra-based and traditional type meditations are actually an outside approach, so they're a more thought-based approach.
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Whereas this is purely body-based, this type of meditation actually reconnects the body and the mind and it activates self-healing and it helps you achieve, or it helps you actually understand your thoughts, which in turn helps you achieve more mental fitness, health.
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When you say body meditation, does that mean that you're actually moving your body some kind of way?
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Explain further what you mean by that.
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Yeah, no, it's just purely based in the body.
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In terms of coming back to the body, so you're literally just feeling the senses and the feelings that arise in your body as you're sitting still.
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It's like normal meditation, where you close your eyes and you just sit perfectly still, or as still as you possibly can.
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But instead of thinking about something and adding in technique or trying to attain a certain state, you're actually just sitting with yourself exactly as you are and feeling the sensation arise.
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So when you initially sit, you might feel a feeling in your chest or a feeling in your stomach and then, just, you don't necessarily focus on that feeling, but you try to feel that feeling and include the entirety of your body.
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So in that way it reconnects the body, it gets you out of your head and back into your body.
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You know it's interesting because a lot of times, especially over here in the States, we have a tendency to deal with symptoms and not causation, and we're always trying to figure out a way to get rid of the symptoms or not feel the symptoms, to mask the symptoms, and of course, the problem with that is that real healing doesn't take place and many times, whatever the symptoms are, they exacerbate over time and it becomes even worse.
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And what I hear you saying is that and I was reading what you're talking about for meditation, for anxiety that one of the first things you do with your method is that you allow yourself to feel what you're feeling and not distract yourself away from that feeling.
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And I was diagnosed with an anxiety disorder about 16, 17 years ago.
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That's one of the reasons why I ended up in the business that I'm in right now.
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And one of the things that I learned oh, maybe about five years into trying to heal myself holistically and not use any pharmaceuticals is that the worst thing you could ever do with anxiety is to try to keep from feeling it, because you may be successful, but when it comes back, it comes back with a vengeance and it lasts longer, I used to have anxiety first thing in the morning, but after a few years I had anxiety all day long, and the only time it would stop is when the sun would go down, and I spent all day trying to figure out ways to not feel it.
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You know, so I understand what you're saying when you have to almost like lean into it.
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But how did you develop this philosophy you mentioned?
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I was reading your bio and you said you had gone through some traumas and that what you're doing now is based upon what you learned when you were going through your own healing process.
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Yeah.
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So what happened?
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I was around about 27 years old and I was having a bit of trouble the same as yourself with anxiety, anger and old.
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And I was having a bit of trouble the same as yourself with anxiety, anger and depression.
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I was mentally not very well and a friend suggested I go on a meditation retreat and the person who was running the retreat was doing this natural meditation, but that you know, back in the 90s.
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So it wasn't point natural meditation at that point, it was just meditation, because there was not really that much meditation around about Buddhism meditation.
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And so that's when I discovered this type of meditation.
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I had tried the others.
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The Buddhist one didn't really resonate with me, whereas this one really really took the fish in the water this particular time because I'm a very natural person and consequently healed using this approach.
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And then I realized, as I was learning this approach, that nobody else in the world is saying this, nobody is giving us that intrinsic understanding that you need in life to kind of get you through life and to get you to understand how to live life according to your uniqueness and your individuality.
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And so it's kind of like a blueprint for life, because as you go through life you're looking for certain solutions to problems and you're always actually really trying to just be the optimum and get to the root of the problem so that you can resolve things and then move on.
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So our general nature as a human and as a person is to want to improve and move on and keep getting well and recover and heal.
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And so this approach, so as you go through life and you're trying to figure all figure life out, you can you find little tidbits of information that you that that resonate with you, and I was.
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I was at a point like that because I'd read lots of philosophical books, I'd done Buddhist meditation and I had all these unanswered questions and they're sort of like loose ends on a rope that are just all open and you know you've hit on something.
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You can't really piece a puzzle together.
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And this meditation actually that we hear from a lot of our customers as well, it literally puts all the, it ties up all your loose ends, puts all those pieces of the puzzle.
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You know you've almost completed the puzzle.
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You've got one last piece and this one, this, this type of meditation and the understanding and education that comes with it, because it's so unusual, it's so unique.
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It yeah, it puts the last piece of the puzzle together so in that way your body can relax and then you've got this deep understanding of how you function as a human being and with that understanding then you're able to resolve, recover and it just gives you this type of recovery that you just can't get from anything else.
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So it's a combination, actually, of the education there's quite a lot of education in the app and then the deeper meditation.
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So it's a lot deeper the meditation than traditional technique based meditation what are some of the topics you cover in the app and you talk about education.
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What things do you educate people on?
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yeah.
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So the app.
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I'll just explain how the app works because it goes through.
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It's like a course or a really big book in each chapter.
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So it's made up of 14 different chapters and each one builds upon the next.
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So it's really good if you do use it to go through the whole flow of the app.
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But there's topics that are covered, things like reconnect.
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There's topics that are cut.
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The topics that are covered things like reconnect there's judgment, there's reactions, there's belief, the significance of illness and the significance of pain stop harming yourself and the mind.
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So there's a variety of topics and these topics were created because we saw those.
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Or Matthew, who's my husband, who developed this approach discovered over the years, over 30 years that there was aspects that were missing in people's understanding of life and themselves that really set like blocking points.
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If you don't understand judgment judgment then you can't get on to understanding about beliefs.
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If you don't understand reaction, then you can't recover from illness and pain as well, because you need to understand the illness and the disconnect that happens through reaction to your health now and as I read where you're talking about, that, it can help you with your overall health.
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What I had seen were things having to do with feelings anxiety, stress, depression.
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What other modalities does this form of meditation help to heal?
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When it comes to our bodies, you know, disease or chronic conditions.
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Does it deal with any of that at all?
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bodies, you know a disease or chronic conditions.
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Does it deal with any of that at all?
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Yeah, definitely.
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It's a huge part of the education, actually, and I'm glad you brought up the feelings and the senses, because that's actually two other topics that I forgot to tell the listeners about.
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So a big part of this meditation is understanding your senses and understanding feeling and learning how to feel.
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Again, because the society that we live in now it's very heady, if you like, and we're quite conditioned, heavily conditioned, to not feel, so we're distracted, we're taught to avoid, we're taught to deny, we're taught to not feel our feelings, whereas the feelings are meant to be felt.
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So an intrinsic part of this education is learning how to feel, and once you start learning how to feel, then you can then listen to your body, and once you can listen to your body, you then slow down a lot more, you become a lot calmer, you become a lot more interested in pains and afflictions that come up in you illness and you can actually feel your way through any Like.
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We've had people come to us over the years because we have quite a big community who hear things like cancer and endometriosis and fibroids and all sorts of things just through purely feeling their way through it.
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Because the body only manifests illness and pain when it's something and it's your body screaming at you trying to tell you slow down.
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There's a problem in this area, in this direction that you're taking your life, and the only way it knows how to do that is to create pain.
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So if you can understand your pain and listen to your pain and feel your way through that, you can actually listen to what your body is telling you.
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And your body is super intelligent, it's extraordinarily intelligent actually.
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We suppress a lot of pains and illness and things throughout the years and trauma just on a day-to-day stress and, like you say, anxiety.
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If we're able to just feel our way through those, you really recover, and really recover completely, because you're actually getting to the root of the problem.
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Because all illness and pain comes from simply is a reaction or a disassociation from your body and by feeling that and getting behind, get back, getting back in touch with the feeling behind that you're actually into the root of the pain before it manifests into the illness and injury or pain.
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What about individuals where the situation is already manifest?
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They're already been diagnosed with cancer, they already are having sleeplessness and dealing with what comes with not being sleep deprived, or perhaps they have hormones that are unbalanced or things like that.
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Do you deal with things like that?
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Our audience is, you know, women between the ages of 40 and 55.
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And one thing that they struggle with all the time is the symptoms from menopause.
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Do you ever talk with women about this and how does your method help with the symptoms of menopause?
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Yeah, well, the symptoms of menopause generally, a lot of the symptoms of the menopause, are surrounded, I would say, with distress and distress about those symptoms.
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So by feeling the distress that's in your system and through your body, you're able to deal with the distress and resolve the stress and recover from the distress.
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So the way we look at it really is, the body and the mind are one and the same thing.
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So physical health and mental health we treat as exactly the same thing.
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As you know, anxiety is a feeling in your body.
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It's always a feeling somewhere in your body and where that anxiety is being held, whether it's in your throat, in your chest or your stomach.
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So anxiety is a physical thing.
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That's just a good example for your listeners.
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Just kind of get their head around, wrap their head around what I'm talking about.
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So the body-mind connection is a real thing and a lot of people they don't even think that it exists or they just yeah they don't understand it but it's a real thing.
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So, in order to recover from menopause symptoms or the other afflictions that you were mentioning, it all comes back to the same thing and that just feeling, just feeling in your body and feeling whatever distresses and feelings and tensions.
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It can also just be a physical tension that you can feel.
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It may not have distress or too much feeling and sensation around it, but just feel, just literally keep feeling into your body.
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And that doesn't mean think about how you feel, that means feel from the inside.
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So, you get very deep into your body and your system and that is where the greatest understanding about yourself comes from.
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Yes, you know, it's interesting too, because there's something that you said that was very key in terms of the work that I read about, about leaning into the feeling and not finding it, because that's totally opposite of you know what most people do they try to find a way to get away from feeling this way.
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Now, with menopausal females, they're feeling all kinds of stuff, you know, none of which they necessarily want to feel, but they really can't even stop it if they wanted to, you know, with the sleeplessness, the hot flashes, the lack of focus and all of that.
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So, when it comes to that, how do you teach?
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Not just how, what do you teach women to do?
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What kinds of things?
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First, do they study to kind of understand, to get that understanding, so that your process will be more impactful?
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yeah.
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So the main thing that you probably want to start doing, or trying to understand, is actually how to feel.
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So I would say that that would be the first step and the other the next thing.
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The next part of that would which will automatically happen anyway, if you learn to deal again is to reconnect.
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So start reconnecting with yourself and really try to connect with the world around you, because it's a big part of the problem I mean the world at large is that we are disconnected and while we're disconnected, we're not, I guess, empathetic or able to understand and be sensitive to the people around us, and this actually causes causes us a lot of distress, probably more distress than we realize that's.
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That's very interesting.
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Well, they always say that no man is an island and we were all placed here to be connected with each other.
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But these days there's so many silos and our society in many ways is so polarized, especially here in the States.
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It's no wonder that you're seeing an increase in anxiety, an increase in depression, suicidal ideation, obesity is way up.
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There's more people who are considered obese in this country than not, and I guess you could say it could all be tied to this disconnect.
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Could you give us an example of how this works, what it looks like or feels like to do natural meditation?
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Yeah, so, as I said earlier, it's literally you just sit still, so you sit in a comfortable position and you would close your eyes and we can do a little guided meditation now.
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Okay, let's give it a touch Now for those of you who are listening and driving a car, I know I don't have to tell you do not close your eyes while you're driving, pull over to the side or, better yet yet, listen to this and come back to it later and do it.
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Okay, want everybody to be safe.
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Okay, go ahead yeah, okay.
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So just sit in a comfortable position wherever you are, try and keep your back straight, if you can, and just close your eyes.
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Just gently close your eyes.
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Just gently close your eyes and then sink down into your body, try to get out of your head and just try to move away frantic pace that's going on in your thinking.
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Just calm down and ground yourself deep inside your body, just feel, feel, just feel any sensations that you can.
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It might be the hand, it might be the hand, it might be the back of your knee, it might be your stomach, it might be your throat or the tension of your face, and whatever feeling or whatever sensation grabs your attention the most, just feel it, try not to think about it and judge it.
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Don't think it's bad, not meant to be, it's all meant to be, it's all.
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And if you include that in yourself, then you'll be accepting that part of yourself and that is, it's all, and you're really accepting that part of yourself and that gives you peace.
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It's all good and just feel the sensation wherever it is.
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Don't crowd it out or thinking about anything.
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Just stay in this sensation, feel it, feel it deep inside.
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If you notice any sound, you can listen to the sound of my voice.
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Just feel that, judge it.
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Just feel it in your mind.
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Feel vibration resonating in your mind.
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Feel vibration resonating in your body, and these sensations is a raw feel.
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Feel it go on throughout the day nearly and if you feel you can recover, they won't get built up.
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Recover, relax if Cover Relax.
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Boy, boy, chance to be.
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And Let me see Ready Just to open your eyes, see how you feel with your eyes open.
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You know what I noticed?
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First of all, I started sweating.
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I got really hot for so easy, yes.
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But these little tingly sensations you know what some people might call itching, but I didn't want to itch it, I just wanted to around myself to feel it.
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I think what's all in my mind.
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I'm not really itching there, but I start feeling like a real tingly here and here and in my hands and in my oh.
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And all of a sudden I had to swallow in my throat area.
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You know just different little tiny sensations.
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I don't know if that's normal or not, but does that sound about right?
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Yeah, that's exactly right, because it was such a short meditation too.
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Yeah, it was.
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It's literally your body just quietening down and you just notice the whole thing, the system that just go all day, every day, but you don't really notice right, you don't, you?
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and, in fact, you might have a tendency to ignore them, you know, push them back, and what I hear you saying is those very things that we do need to pay attention to, because they could be the beginning of the source of our healing.
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Definitely yeah, and a source of illness.
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They're all indicators, they're all opportunities.
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We need to understand these more deeply but, at the same time, optimize your health and your mental health, because they're indicators of all different types of things.
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We're such a complex thing but there's such a simple solution to just feel your way through life and understand which direction to go.
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And because we're so overwhelmed and so stressed and there's so much, this meditation just allows you this recovery that you just can't get anywhere else.
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Wow, that's amazing.
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I could feel, I could definitely feel something, definitely, and I was like gosh, I gotta reach over here, turn on the fan now.
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I can probably hear it on the podcast this fan boy in the background, but I don't care.
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I felt like I was hot.
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It was really a hot flash.
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I don't sweat very much, I'm not a big sweater but I began to feel myself sweating.
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I was like wow, what's going on here?
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And then the tingling sensation.
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But when I opened my eyes, I felt a sense of calm.
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You know more so, and you said something about relaxing my face and I thought to myself that's so interesting because of what I do, you know working with clients all the time on Zoom, doing the podcast, doing lives, all this stuff.
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I'm on all the time, though very rarely does my face really relax until I, you know, sit down and have a cup of wine with my husband, or you know usually what we do.
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We call it coming to the table at the end of our day, because we both work from home and we just sit down for a minute, just kind of look at each other.
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He's like, oh hi, you're home Ourselves.
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How was your day?
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It's so funny because we're in the same house, but he's on one side of the house and we're another, and we're both working, doing things, and we might see each other for lunch or whatever, but basically we're in our own little worlds and you don't realize how you're holding yourself all the time.
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Now, I'm a classically trained ballet dancer, so the idea of not holding myself up this way feels uncomfortable, you know, just totally letting it go, letting my stomach go on that kind of stuff.
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I feel like, oh yeah, letting my stomach go, all that kind of stuff.
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I feel like, oh yeah, don't take my kid, you know.
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So it takes me a while to release that, uh, but immediately I could feel all of that releasing as I was going to.
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So I think I would be somebody that might be susceptible to this practice yeah, and I was just thinking with your, with your ballet posture as you were talking about it that's actually just a conditioning.
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It's just literally a belief that you have been taught and conditioned into your body.
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So if you sit with that feeling of actually being uncomfortable with how you feel or whatever thoughts arise during a meditation, if you're sitting with your back slumped or your stomach sticking out, it should make you feel how you feel and watch the thoughts that arise from that and just keep feeling it and you can actually undo that conditioning.
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So that's how it works.
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Yes, that's interesting and I will do that, because I started dancing at four but got really serious about ballet at nine.
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And you know, ballet is very disciplined, very, very disciplined, and my teacher was one of those kind of teachers.
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God rest her soul.
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I loved her but I hated her at the same time.
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She taught me discipline, you know, I wouldn't be doing what I'm doing now if it wasn't for her in terms of discipline, because being an entrepreneur requires discipline, you know, and that's something I'm comfortable with.
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But I can remember, you know, not wanting to go to class because it was always so humiliating.
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You know, she had this little bargey pat your toes or call you out.
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You know, if you're not, you know, let us your neck, yeah, your foot's, tickling and all this stuff.
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You know it's very, it could be considered very emotionally abusive, especially at such a young age.
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And so I think one of the offshoots is that I feel the need sometimes just to be told the old thing, you know.
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I feel the need of outside validation instead of just being inner, to be enough.
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And I know it comes from wanting to please my ballet teacher, who was never pleased, you know.
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And then many, many years later she I mean, she was like maybe in her late seventies and she came to see me perform and that meant more to me than any of my other teachers, directors, co-dancers, choreographers.
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She was there to see me dance and then she came back on stage and said you're really good.
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And there was this rush of emotion.
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I started boohooing and crying because it was like wow, finally some validation from a person who I had been working with at that point like 15 years.
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She had never said anything like that to me before, but that was just her way.
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As I got older and as an adult, we became actual friends.
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I got to know her.
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She was a lovely person, but that was her way, and I actually internalized all of that and also internalized it in terms of everything that I did.
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You know had to be narcissism.
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So finally, you know, I developed this anxiety disorder because you know, when you have an anxiety disorder, part of it is all about trying to control everything, which is crazy.
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You cannot control everything.
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Eventually, that feeling of anxiety is when you're beginning to feel, at least for me, lack of control Can't control.
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I mean, you know, by the time I finally got some help, I had four children one in college, two on the way to college, one in high school.
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Children one in college, two on the way to college, one in high school and a brand new husband.
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We married my second time and I was climbing the corporate ladder.
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There was a lot going on and I was trying to control all of it, you know.
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So finally I just couldn't do it anymore.
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Just couldn't do it, and now I am probably about 98% anxiety free, things that would normally worry me or upset me or whatever.
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I'll be in a corner rocking or something.
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I never did.
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Have panic attacks, I never had that.
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But I still have it anymore.
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