Nov. 13, 2024
Forgiveness and Resilience: Embracing Empowerment Beyond Domestic Violence
Domestic violence is a national epidemic. Davine Lynette Mason knows about the nightmare of domestic violence.
Join us for an inspiring episode featuring Davine Lynette Mason, a motivational speaker, founder of Divine Restorations, and domestic abuse survivor. Davine bravely shares her journey of overcoming domestic violence and the transformative power of forgiveness. After enduring a traumatic experience that left her with a brain injury, she discovered peace and purpose through her faith. Her incredible resilience, even in the face of ongoing challenges like seizures and headaches, serves as a beacon of hope for all women facing similar struggles.
In this episode, we dive deep into the powerful narratives of survivors navigating the complexities of domestic violence and mental health challenges. Davine, along with other courageous guests, shares how they found motivation in their children and discovered their divine purpose during their time in mental health facilities. Their stories empower women over 40 to make significant career changes and focus on enhancing their wellness.
This episode redefines beauty and empowerment, showcasing the rich opportunities that midlife offers. If you're a midlife woman seeking inspiration and practical insights for a balanced and fulfilling life, this conversation is for you. Tune in and discover the strength found in resilience and the journey towards self-discovery.
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Davine Lynnette Manson, Motivational Speaker & Founder of Divine Restorations, Inc. Ms. Manson is in a life space that she never thought she would find herself, through a domestic violence incident, she sustained a brain injury when she was struck over the head. For 19 years, Ms. Manson struggled and often did not recognize herself as she dealt with hatred for the man who did it to her. Finally, forgiveness allowed her to move on. Ms. Manson still has the TBI, the seizures, the headaches, but claims FULL healing through GOD and she is now able to have peace, which is why she started her own organization, Divine Restorations. Ms. Manson’s organization was created to help women going through domestic violence. In her own words, “I am here to show women what strength and resilience looks like. Through it all, we are not survivors we are thrivers”.
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Chapters
00:01 - Journey to Forgiveness and Thriving
10:41 - Survivors' Empowerment and Healing Journey
16:41 - Journey to Healing and Forgiveness
28:08 - Midlife Vibe Empowerment Conversation
Transcript
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Where does forgiveness come in in this whole journey?
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Because the idea of forgiving someone who's done such horrible things to you does it start there or does it start somewhere else?
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Oh, most definitely forgiveness, and that's another thing.
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Forgiveness is not for that other person, forgiveness is for you, because, once again, you keep hearing me mention God.
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I believe in a creator that created this earth.
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We didn't just wake up up.
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That's something else that I need people to realize.
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You don't just wake up on your own.
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Some may think you do, but let's be rational about this.
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You don't just wake up on your own.
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You didn't just get here on your own.
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There's something greater that wakes you up each and every day.
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So let's start thanking that individual for waking us up.
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That's privilege within and of itself.
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So that same individual that forgives us for the things that we do you got to forgive, in, to be more vibrant, intuitive, beautiful and empowered in their life.
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So come on, let's vibe.
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You know, I heard a statistic not too long ago about the fact that every hour there is one woman who is killed either by their partner or by their spouse, and when I heard that, I could not believe it that at this day and age, that these kinds of things are still happening, and it might be even more frequently than that.
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Those are the ones we know about, those are the ones that are reported, but we also know that there is a large amount of women who never report their abuse, ever tell anyone what they're going through, and some of them die with their pain in terms of actually sharing it.
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And even in midlife, with all the wisdom that we're supposed to have, there are still women who are living in abusive situations.
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I thought it was important to talk about this.
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So there was a wonderful woman I met on one of those networking calls that I like to go to sometimes.
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Her name is Lynette Mason and she is a motivational speaker and founder of Divine Restorations.
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And Miss Mason is in a life space that she never thought she would find herself in through a domestic violence incident that she sustained, which gave her a brain injury when she was struck on the head.
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For the last 19 years, ms Mason has struggled and often did not recognize herself as she dealt with the hatred for the man who did it to her and finally, through forgiveness, it has allowed her to move on.
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And although Ms Mason still has seizures and headaches, she still is claiming full healing through God and she is now able to have peace and that's why she started her own organization, divine Restorations.
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And you know it's such an amazing story.
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I'm going to call you.
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Is it Devane or Divine Devane, devane?
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Okay, I'm going to call you Devane.
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I know your middle name is Lynette, but I'm so glad to have you here.
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Your story is amazing and needs to be told.
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It's wonderful to have you here on the Vibe Living Podcast today.
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Thank you for having me, Ms Lynette.
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It's so great to be here.
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Thank you.
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You're welcome and you said something I'm quoting you.
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You're welcome and you said something I'm quoting you.
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You said I'm here to show women what strength and resilience looks like Through it all.
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We are not survivors, we are thrivers.
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Why do you say that?
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Because at one point in time I had lost myself.
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I didn't even recognize who I was.
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You could ask me what color did I like and I wouldn't even be able to tell you.
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You could ask me what I like doing I wouldn't be able to tell you.
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I would look in the mirror and I didn't even recognize myself.
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I lost myself and it was surviving.
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But now I'm not only just surviving, I'm thriving Just to even be here talking to you, such a powerful woman, just to be here and want to advocate for other women.
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That's thriving.
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I was a place where I was just barely making it, a place where I was literally trying to kill myself.
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I was institutionalized in a mental institute three times for trying to commit suicide.
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I'm a single mother of six plus a dog, so I say seven, a single mother of seven.
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And now I can sit back and realize, through all of the situations that I went through, I was never alone.
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God was with me all of those times.
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But you couldn't tell me that because I truly felt like I was alone and those times sleepless nights, times when I couldn't literally get out of bed due to depression, severe depression, PTSD, anxiety, you name it I felt worthless.
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Just like I said, I didn't know who I was, Wow.
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Let's kind of go back a little bit and let's talk about your story in terms of what brought you to this place.
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You said you were, I guess you were in a marriage.
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No, my children's father, your children's father.
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Okay, and what happened there?
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When did the abuse start?
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Was it something that was always ongoing?
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And then, if it wasn't, why did it begin to escalate?
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So I was with him for nine years and, yes, it was an abusive relationship for the nine years.
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I started going with him when I was 19 years old and we had our first child when I was 20, but it was abusive for that full nine years.
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We have three children together.
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I had my first when I was 16.
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I became a mom when I was 16 years old.
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That was not an abusive relationship and it's funny, I didn't experience this with my parents.
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Last year was their 50th anniversary.
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I didn't grow up in a household where I saw abuse.
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So it's funny I didn't experience this with my parents.
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Last year was their 50th anniversary.
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I didn't grow up in a household where I saw abuse.
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So it's like where did this come from?
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So it's like my father was a provider, never raised his voice, never abused me, never abused my mother, never stepped out on my mother.
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I didn't see this.
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So it's like we're going to stop that stereotype right there, because a lot of people be like oh, that's what they saw.
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No, absolutely not.
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So it's like one thing I can say when my parents met my children's father, they saw him.
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They were like absolutely no, we do not want you with him.
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I was kind of like a shelter and he was from the streets.
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He was a drug dealer and I was like, yep, that's what I want.
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Don't ask me why.
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My father was a hardworking man who provided.
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My mother was a hardworking woman, but I think it was the fact that I was overly sheltered and he was like the wildcat Now I was.
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I was attracted to it for whatever reason and, like I said, the more they said no, the more I said yes.
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I was hardheaded and I learned my lesson the hard way.
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So, like I said, we were together for nine years and something else that I'm going to tell you he was abused by his father.
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He saw this in his household.
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His mother was severely abused by his father.
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His dad, come to find out, was in the army, so he was very strict.
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He was a cheater.
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So everything that he saw his father do is what he learned to do and kind of like trade it down.
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So that's what he did to me.
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He abused our son and all of that kind of stuff.
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So it was like ingrained in him.
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Some people will want to say why don't you stop it?
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Learn patterns, learn behavior.
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That's what he knew to do.
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Unfortunately, he didn't have a male figure to teach him any better.
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That ran in his family Generational curses.
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They truly do exist.
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What was the final caveat that made you decide to get out of that situation and seek help?
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that made you decide to get out of that situation and seek help.
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I was forced out of it.
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I told him I knew he was a cheater, I knew he was a dog and I dealt with that.
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I was breaking my parents' heart.
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They wanted me out of this relationship.
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I'm black eyes and bruises and all of these kinds of things that they're running over to his house.
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You know it was a mess and through it all, I'm still staying with him.
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But I told him the one thing that you do you ever make a baby on me?
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I'm out of here.
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And he did that.
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He had a child outside of our relationship and I was like, okay, that's it Done, deal Deal breaker and the fact that you doing what, you're leaving me.
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And he couldn't handle that.
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And I'm like, yes, sir, I can show you better than I can tell you and I don't know what, what, why that made that was a deal breaker for me in my mind.
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But I'm like you really overstepped it with me.
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I'm dealing with you, putting your hands on me.
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You're abusing me, you, you, you choking me out in front of my kids and things like that.
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You're abusing our child.
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I'm taking beatings because you're abusing my child.
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I'm like you can put your hands on me, but putting your hands on my child absolutely not.
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But to make a child outside of our relationship, no.
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And he couldn't deal with the fact that I actually moved on.
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I'm like, yeah, no, never once did I cheat on him in our relationship.
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But once I closed the door to him, I opened up the door to somebody else and then that kind of like true narcissistic behavior he couldn't handle that.
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So it was.
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That was the incident that led to the disaster.
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That was the.
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We'll just say that that led to what led to me having the traumatic brain injury.
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I mean having the grandma seizures.
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It wasn't good because he committed an act of violence against me and an act of violence against someone else.
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And that's why he's serving 28 years in prison now Okay.
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So I was going to ask him is he even incarcerated?
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He is, oh.
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So now you're at a point where you have suffered emotionally and now physically.
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Yes.
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And dealing with the pain of all that.
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What was your diagnosis when it came to your overall emotional health?
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What kind of diagnoses were they giving you health?
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What kind of diagnoses were they giving you Severe PTSD?
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I have both long-term and short-term memory loss behind this, traumatic brain injury, severe depression, anxiety disorder.
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I lost a lot.
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You lost a lot.
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So now fast forwarding to where you are now, because I know there's a whole journey that you went on.
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How did you keep going in that journey?
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What kinds of things did you do to motivate yourself?
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Where did you go to seek help?
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Thank God for my kids.
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They're my biggest motivators Because if it had not have been for them, I probably truly and honestly would not be here, because I'm like I can't give up.
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This isn't going to be fair to them, number one.
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But let me actually.
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I'm going to take a step back those times when I did try to commit suicide.
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You notice I'm still here.
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God is like absolutely not.
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I brought you through all of this for a reason.
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There's a greater purpose in you, and I just keep remembering that when I was in the mental institute, there was one time I remember for some reason he had me get a notebook, and it was in the mental institute where divine restoration came into play.
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I'm talking about, down to the colors, down to the name.
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Everything came when I was in that mental institute.
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You say colors, what?
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do you mean Of what the building is supposed to look like?
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He told me everything who I'm supposed to be serving, what I'm supposed to be serving.
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He told me I didn't allow you to go through all of this for nothing.
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We have similar experiences.
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When I was sent to a respite for a week just to get some rest because I had been diagnosed with an anxiety disorder, and my boss and my colleagues, they were all like you need to rest, you need to take some time off, and the only thing I could take with me was a journal.
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I couldn't take my books, couldn't take my pagers, my computer, none of that.
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And this was 18 years ago.
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And it was in that respite where I really began to start thinking about the fact of what I needed to do to heal, and one of the things I knew I needed to do was to take off more time from my job.
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And when the time came for me to return, I didn't, because I knew that that would be a trigger and a setup.
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And it wasn't just the job, it was accumulation of things.
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But it all started with how my mother was killed.
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She was hit by a fire truck on her way to a board meeting and the way I found out about it was very traumatic, extremely traumatic.
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And that is really began my you know descent into the abyss of trying to control the outcome, never having any surprises, always being in charge of everything, and I lived like that for 20 years and I used to wake up every morning and feel like I was going straight downhill in a roller coaster with no restraints.
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Just you know this huge feeling.
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It was like horrible, and the only thing that would stop it would be coffee.
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In fact, that's when I started drinking coffee was was when I started experiencing that.
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But even with that, I kept pushing it back, pushing it back, not dealing with it.
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Finally, kind of like that emotional, that analogy about a closet you know so many things into your closet, then one day you open up, just take one more thing out or put one more thing in and it just all came out.
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And so that's how I ended up with the respite and that began my journey and it's it's.
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It took years, you know, but I did leave my job and that's why I'm doing what I'm doing now, because I started my business, you know, in wellness for women over 40.
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What the idea that I didn't want women to go through what I went through.
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I wanted women to be educated in terms of the possibilities of what might be going on with you, instead of being in denial and, if not, having this be a cautionary tale, not dealing with your symptoms or your situation is going to put you in that trajectory that will eventually end your life.
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Yes, so when you were in the facilities and getting ready to go out again, what were the kinds of things that you were thinking about in terms of what was going to be different the next time around?
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Had to prepare myself because, first of all, I fear facing the world, because I'm like that's the biggest thing that domestic violence survivors and thrivers go through judgment.
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The world is looking at you.
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Well, why did you stay?
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Why didn't you leave?
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And you know the what, what would have, should have, could have.
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Having to prepare myself mentally to what I'm going back to living with regrets, dealing with my kids emotionally.
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I'm like it's one of me and it's at that time it was for for my kids.
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My twins came later, but I'm like having to deal with their emotions.
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How are they going to look at me?
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You know dealing with their thoughts, still trying to be a mom to them and raise them, but yet going through my, my own physical stuff.
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You know dealing, and it's funny enough, it's like his, his family, blamed me for what happened too, because he chose to go to trial and they, they didn't want me to testify.
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What do you mean?
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I was subpoenaed, I had to testify and, in all actuality, he did what he did what do you want me to do?
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My goodness, you're the victim.
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But you know therein lies part of the issue.
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They're in denial about who he is and the issues that he had.
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It's like they're probably in denial of, you know, the issues that they had.
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That might contribute to that.
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And you know denial is one of the main components of mental health.
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It's when we're going through something and we push back, or even our own health, especially with women, because we have so many things to do.
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And looking back and looking at where you are now, what is it that you want women to know who are going through something similar?
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What is it?
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What kind of advice can you give them?
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Put, yourself first.
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You deserve better.
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Nobody deserves to be treated like a dog.
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Not even a dog deserves to be treated like that.
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It is OK for you to leave.
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You do not have to stay in a situation where somebody is treating you where you know doggone well.
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You do not deserve to be treated like that.
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There are resources out there that's available to you If you do not feel safe.
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First of all, it's no, it's not easy and I'm not going to sit there and lie to you.
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It's not going to be easy, but you're going to have to put on your big girl panties and ask for help.
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A lot of times we don't feel comfortable asking for help and then the devil's going to talk to you.
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No, don't do this, don't do that.
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Shut them down In the name of Jesus.
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I got to do this for my own self.
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If you have kids for my kids, it's not safe.
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There's women that are dying left and right.
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There's women that's still left with traumas.
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You may not make it out with traumas.
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You may not make it out, but you have to.
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Or you may not make it out and still have your kids that are looking up to you, happy about things.
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Thankfully, my kids have forgiven me.
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But what if your kids choose not to?
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And that's their right and you're going to have to feel comfortable with those because you may have those tough conversations.
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You're going to have to deal with that because your children went through that with you.
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They have emotions too.
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And they saw all of that right.
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They saw what was going on.
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And for a long time I wasn't able to handle those conversations.
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But guess what?
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I took them through that because I could have left and I didn't, and I had to go through that and I had to take that and it was hard and I had to fight.
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I had to go through that and I had to take that and it was hard.
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Well, you know I you mentioned, when I was reading your bio, something about forgiveness.
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